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To:            quattro@swiss.ans.net
Subject:       Re: 5 bangers galore

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> From quattro-owner@swiss.ans.net Thu Nov 10 02:22:28 1994
> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:57:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eliot Lim <eliot@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: 5 bangers galore 
> Reply-To: quattro@swiss.ans.net
> On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Carl DeSousa wrote:
> > Eliot, we've had this conversation before, and once again, with all
> > due respect, I have to step up and defend the goood ol 5 banger.
> dialog! that's great...
> [vigor flames deleted]
> > Is the above fact or opinion.  Just curious...
> the space efficiency of the vigor you can see for yourself clear as
> daylight.  the dampers you can feel for yourself too if you are
> discerning enough.  high speed (i.e. 55-75 mph) float, rocking motions
> on turn-in.. you name it i am glad that american buyers still have
> enough brain power left to vote with their checkbooks despite flagrant
> lying by you-know-who.

I found it interesting that even dyed-in-the-wool Honda fans shunned
the Vigor--the car's glaring deficiencies were like a wet toilet seat
on the much-extolled throne of what is Honda.  The press could not
really afford to write anything bad about it; they stood to lose the
then-largest advertising account in the history of auto advertising.

The only way to get a fair review of a specific Honda product is to
read about its deficiencies when the new model comes out:  e.g. "the
new Accord exhibits none of the prior model's pitching and
cork-screwing motions on bumpy roads", etc.

What's really funny is how dated a Vigor looks now. Amazing that they
still sell it.

BTW, FWIW, I found the non-turbo Audi 5-banger to be better than
any four of equivalent year, and much better than a four of 
similar displacement.

I found Volvo 850 5-banger to be extraordinarily noisy and with little
low-end torque.

John Greenstreet, Senior Engineer           (jgreenst@motown.ge.com)
Martin Marietta Government Electronic Systems    Moorestown NJ 08057
WPI Class of '75, Temple Class of '94

My new car history:
  1975    1978    1982       1986        1989      1992      1995
   VW ->  Audi -> Audi  -> Mercedes -> Mercedes -> Audi -> Mercedes
Scirocco Fox GTI  4000S    190E 2.3    190E 2.6    100CS     S320

POSSLQ's* new car history:
         1978       1981       1985      1988        1990     1993
       Triumph ->  Toyota ->  Toyota  ->  VW    ->   Audi  -> Audi
       Spitfire    Tercel     Corolla   Jetta GL      80      90S

*POSSLQ = Person of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters
Note: All Audis and Mercedes above were sold to friends or family.