[Vwdiesel] Diesel vs hybrid battle heats up

peter blake pila47 at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 2 19:34:59 PST 2008

   Right on target, I rarely if ever buy new, it just seems so 
stupid to buy a huge chunk of depreciation. I think being
called a consumer is an insult.

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, decker at toledotel.com <decker at toledotel.com> wrote:

> From: decker at toledotel.com <decker at toledotel.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Diesel vs hybrid battle heats up
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:14 PM
> Hi Folks;
>     This debate pitting the new TDI diesel vs the Pruis
> Hybrid seems  to me
> to be for people who wouldn't mind using new 100 dollar
> bills to start their
> bar-be-que fire. I do think the consensus is that  it is
> probably a push for
> fuel cost between the two but it seems to me to be a stupid
> move cost wise.
> If one believes they must have a brand new car instead of a
> used one they
> should perhaps consider say the Toyota Yaris. Either your
> Prius or the VW
> TDI will cost 10 grand more than the Yaris. If you were to
> drive each
> 100,000 miles you will save about 2000 dollars in fuel
> costs at today's
> prices and even if you figure fuel will double soon that is
> still 6 grand
> you burned for the privilege of driving a new TDI diesel or
> a Prius. There
> are other added costs to the TDI/Prius options but I
> haven't bothered to
> figure them out . I'm sure there are other conventional
> gas engine new cars
> out there that will get 30+ miles per gallon and cost even
> less than a
> Toyota Yaris.
>     In the present day economy and taxation climate a
> dollar not spent is
> much more than a dollar earned. For this reason I will keep
> driving my 1981
> Dasher diesel station wagon with it's 1.6 N/A diesel
> and a 5 speed. It is
> I'm absolutely positively certain more reliable than
> either a new TDI or
> Prius. It will get 45 miles per gallon if I drive it at 70
> mph and 50 mpg if
> I drive it at 60 mph. I have about 2000 dollars in it
> including completely
> rebuilding the engine. I have driven it about 50,000 miles
> now and figure It
> will run another 100,000 miles without spending more than a
> grand or so even
> if I have to rebuild much of the running gear. I don't
> keep collision
> insurance on it , only liability, uninsured motorist and
> hospitalization.
>     Being as much as possible a  non-consumer or at least a
> consumer of used
> merchandise seems to me to be the best way to keep
> one's head above water in
> these trying times.
> Brian Decker
> Western Washington
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William J Toensing"
> <toensing at wildblue.net>
> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:06 AM
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Diesel vs hybrid battle heats up
> > 1) Thanks for the link to the auto section of the
> Toronto newspaper.
> Locally here in the Sacramento area you can buy a Prius for
> $1,000 off of
> MSRP & get immediate delivery. However the nearest VW
> dealer in Roseville,
> CA is getting a $4,000 pack above MSRP on a new TDI.
> Salesman at that VW
> dealer says most of the Mexican VW  TDI production is going
> to Europe as VW
> can get more money in the European market than in the US
> market. Don't know
> if this salesman is just pulling my leg or is serious. If
> he is serious, I
> then don't think VW is serious about the diesel market,
> at least in Calif.
> Can't afford a new car now, anyway, but if I could, I
> wouldn't pay over MSRP
> for any car! Although I prefer diesels (wouldn't be
> contributing to this
> discussion group if I wasn't) I think owning a Prius
> would be cheaper to own
> in the long run although a TDI would be more fun to drive.
> Here in the Grass
> Valley/Nevada City, CA the Prius appears the most common
> single model car on
> our local roads
> >  & the next most common are older Mercedes
> diesels. Many more of each than
> my Ford Focus ZX3. I haven't seen any other Quantums or
> Dashers around,
> other than my own.
> > I heard somewhere that Ford plans to bring the diesel
> Fiesta over here a
> year after they introduce the gas Fiesta & that a new
> Honda Insight hybrid
> will be here in a year that will sell for less than a
> Prius. Lets hope the
> gas/diesel prices will stay down long enough for this to
> happen. However, I
> don't think they will & suggest $5 a gallon
> gas/diesel be factored into any
> future automobile purchase.
> >
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