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RE: Tires don't make the ride
>Well, I've driven it, and it ain't the tires sir.
No need to use sir. This is just a small debate and sir implies confrontation
which I am not interested in. I do respect your opinion very much I just
disagree in this case.
>Brakes on Audis are subpar, always have been.
No disagreement here but keep reading. What are most A8 drivers doing with
their cars? Maybe Audi was not going for ultimate performance with the A8.
Before you say safety just consider that Audi was the only car with 4 airbags
standard.:-) 20ft could be tires and more aggressive abs control without a
problem. Maybe knowing that the quattro was going to be used in the snow a
lot they valved it for a snow/dry balance where the others were dry balanced.
Just a quick glance through the road test summery shows Audi's to be at least
mid pack as far as braking distances so subpar may not best describe them..
>However, Audi had this comparo in the bag. Brand new ground up chassis,
engine, >suspension and drivetrain competing against all older ones. With
that given, there >should be NO excuses, this is THE top of the line flagship,
with all those wonderful
I agree that the Audi has all the ingredients to be a world beater. But they
compromised in too many areas and are paying the price via the press. I have
not yet heard any A8 owners complain about anything except the tires which
leads me to believe that it is a great car for the target audience.
> You want to make it a tire issue? If that was what would
have put Audi at the top, y >did the powers that be at Audi put the pieces of
crap on to begin with?
>After driving the Audi A8 (with SP 8000's no less) and the 740, I personally
think that 3rd was >pretty distant, I wouldn't have even compared the two.
Definitely 2 different cars. For you maybe it is the better car, but again
are you the target audience.
>Pat, I would encourage you to drive more.
Well, umm I kinda do drive a lot of cars on the road and track. That includes
the mighty m3 which you never miss the chance to praise and which by the way
is a sports car not a sedan. Just because it resembles one does not make it
one. A quick ride in the back seat will confirm this. I recognize that cars
are tuned for a certain personality and appreciate cars for their particular
>I advocate good cars, you build one right, from the radio to the tires, there
are no >excuses when the mags compare apples to apples. I enjoy driving good
cars, it helps >me to target improvement to my 3 audi rides. Drive any BMW,
especially an M, and >audi brakes become a joke. (After my first ride in an
M3, I wanted brakes, made a Big >Red conversion for the audis - take a ride in
one of those, and smiles abound). Even >the mighty RS2, has 944 brakes on
them, 4 pux no less. Hey, how 'bout the 993's?
So are you saying the S cars brakes suck? I have never heard that word
mentioned when describing the S cars. Apples to apples Audis are not that far
behind bmw in braking on there stock sedans.
>Bottom Line: Audi was given the platter, and it fell short. If what you say
is true, then >Audi could have spent the extra 50bux (the difference between
brand x and x+) and >won the comparo outright? Understand your argument Pat.
You might also want to >explain how those x+ tires would be good for 20feet
shorter braking too, since that's >where the first place Lexus came in.
>Do it right the first time, that's what this is about. AFTER the review is
complete, >Monday morning arrives on how Audi coulda and shoulda. You believe
that to be >tires. I believe the winners to have a wee bit more than that,
been there driven that. >Making excuses AGAIN for sub par results. Com'on,
time to call the coaches...
Give me an application and lets me and you show them how to do it right. We
are probably not the people they are shooting for sadly. Use the example of
Lexus and Infinity. Lexus shot for the luxury segment while Infinity went for
the performance segment. Lexus cleaned their clock. Maybe this is what Audi
is using for justification. The tires could have been put on for a hundred
reasons we may never know but performance obviously was not one of them.
864000csq turbo, 2 1/2 cat back, H&R-Boge, MC and loving it. Drilled rotors
stopping it. Koenig Cobra 16x7 with AVS Intermediates turning it, K&N and
95 subaru legacy