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Re: What's the big deal about Torsen?
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- From: Dave Eaton <email@example.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:28:49 +0012
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having owned ur-q's with and without torsen, there's no question in my mind which
is better. early (non-torsen) ur-q deservedly had a reputation for disappearing backwards
through hedges due to the open-centre-diff-'tank-slapper'-effect (ie. lift inside front wheel,
lose drive, oversteer lurch, drop inside front wheel, gain drive, understeer, and repeat).
now don't get me wrong, my old '85 ur-q was a fine handling car which handled well
enough with or without the centre diff locked. it's just that my 20v handles *much* better.
(however counter to this argument is the old porsche 911 one which is "only-real-men-can-
bottom line with the non-torsen was that, short of (fast) open road driving with the diff locked,
you could never really be sure you weren't going to have a 'moment'...
btw the mb (torsen) ur-q seems to understeer more than the 20v one. i know that the
suspension was tweaked a little with the 20v, but i haven't driven one back to back to
not sure about track racing, but for the street i'd take spend more money on a torsen
than a non torsen ur-q any day. having driven a friends subaru impreza wrx i prefer the
torsen to a vc as well. the wrx is a fast car (more laggy and less power than the 20v),
but it's a tricky car on the limit which is not something i find with the ur-q 3b....
..>From: email@example.com (Phil Payne)
..>Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:44:56 GMT
..>In message <firstname.lastname@example.org> PDQSHIP@aol.com writes:
..>> Both the one's I drove were at the low end of proper specs (.5 neg), where
..>> they got the best handling... Torsen gives undesteer all the time, and gets
..>> progressively worse as you add the gas.... If it locked at a setting, one
..>> might be able to address it's shortcomings... Great, just like abs, for the
..>> wife (three years, she has yet to touch the AWD switch panel), but not the
..>> best handling by far.... It gets worse as you increase the hp.... The
..>> gen-I, OTOH gets mucho better... BTDT
..>Well, _I_ have yet to touch the AWD switch panel in my urq. Not that it
..>would do any good above 25mph anyway ...
..>And none of the non-TORSEN cars owned by club members around me can hope to
..>keep up around traffic islands. Nigel and Steve on the list both have TORSEN
..>cars (a 20V and an MB like mine respectively) and we regularly show the ancient
..>technology where it's really at. I'm not saying it's ideal for track racing or
..>rallying, but for sudden serious situations on normal roads it's close to
..>perfect. Dave Coughtrie in Wellingborough can make me pay attention when he
..>drives his Ford Modeo turbo diesel, but his (non-TORSEN) urq is not much better
..>than the Ford. The MB's understeer is easily corrected by a large toolkit in
..>the boot - my car is precisely neutral running driver-only and just gently